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Belief
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Why would an absolute attribute be any different than any other attribute?
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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Are you especially pleading for this attribute
Not at all, i am asking why you are especially pleading for 'absolute' attributes
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
 (January 10, 2010 at 5:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Omniscient is an absolute attribute. It isn't reliant on any supporting qualification. Isn't it?Do you mean absolute as in unbounded by anything?
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
I mean absolute as in what it says in itself - "all knowing"
If something is all knowing, then it must have belief in everything it knows. Simply: knowledge is the assumption that we are right, which we must take on faith.
Omniscience requires astounding faith :S Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Does a computer require faith for everything it knows? So a computer has faith?
We only assume because we cannot know. An omniscient being can know, and therefore has no need of assumption. 
A computer doesn't know anything.
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 6:59 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 6:59 pm by Violet.)
A computer must assume that it is right, or else it wouldn't be able to come up with any answers. So yes, by definition a computer has an extremely large amount of faith: it will not even consider things that it is not programed to consider.
Knowing anything implies assuming factuality in the matter. A computer has to assume that every piece of information it is given is 'factual'... otherwise it will be unable to program a single thing because of the infinite possibilities that could otherwise be considered (exceptions being quantum computers and the like). Can you honestly tell me how differently our minds work than do computers? Of course, there are computers that are programed to 'think for themselves' (IE: Quantum computers), but i doubt that is what you are referring to? (January 10, 2010 at 6:50 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: A computer doesn't know anything. Of course, it largely depends on how you define "Know", and on how advanced the computer is
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 7:07 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 7:08 pm by fr0d0.)
I was trying to tease out of you your thinking regarding faith and knowledge. The 'knowledge' of course is independently added (to a computer) - that it will then use to reach conclusions. If this is not cogitation then are people suggesting that the brain does not and cannot function in this way??
How can a computer 'assume'? Data presented to it has to be accurate so it cannot produce an inaccurate conclusion. It's either yes, no, or tied. There is no need to assume.
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