Songs of Praise

[Craveman]

It's quite the opposite - the reasoning for God requires that there be no proof.

Aren't all the miracles and Jesus proof for Christianity? If what you stated above is true then God would never have performed any miracles and Jesus would never have shown himself on earth.

[downbeatplumb]

It's quite the opposite - the reasoning for God requires that there be no proof. Belief requires intelligence because what use is intelligence when working out the blatantly obvious? ..none. No intelligence is needed to work out what we already know. Intelligence is needed to work out what we don't know.

Belief necessitates faith. No one can know if God is real. The practice of faith is life giving.

Doing something selfless is accepted to make you feel good. It may also hurt. It's life giving. Selfishness is life destroying. It's putting your own needs at the forefront despite the needs of others.

But the bable fish is a dead give away isnt it.....

So the fact that there is no proof is in religions favour!

Whoever sold you that crock of shit is the best damn salesman in the world.

[fr0d0]

It's quite the opposite - the reasoning for God requires that there be no proof.

Aren't all the miracles and Jesus proof for Christianity? If what you stated above is true then God would never have performed any miracles and Jesus would never have shown himself on earth.

Show me how that is proof of Christianity then. Nothing Jesus did was conclusive evidence for anybody at the time. Faith was always a requirement.

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But the bable fish is a dead give away isnt it.....

So the fact that there is no proof is in religions favour!

Whoever sold you that crock of shit is the best damn salesman in the world.

I'm not the one who repeatedly misses the point.

[Craveman]

Show me how that is proof of Christianity then. Nothing Jesus did was conclusive evidence for anybody at the time. Faith was always a requirement

Seeing Jesus in the flesh would be solid proof of Christianity to anyone! Especially when he turns water into wine and feeds 5000 people with 5 small loaves and 2 fish, die on the cross and resurrect from the death. (Also, the people witnessed the holy spirit appearing something like tongues of flame over each one's head...)

If I saw ANY of these things why the hell would I need faith to believe in Christianity? I've seen the evidence!

[downbeatplumb]

It's quite the opposite - the reasoning for God requires that there be no proof.

Aren't all the miracles and Jesus proof for Christianity? If what you stated above is true then God would never have performed any miracles and Jesus would never have shown himself on earth.

Show me how that is proof of Christianity then. Nothing Jesus did was conclusive evidence for anybody at the time. Faith was always a requirement.

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But the bable fish is a dead give away isnt it.....

So the fact that there is no proof is in religions favour!

Whoever sold you that crock of shit is the best damn salesman in the world.

I'm not the one who repeatedly misses the point.

What is the point then?

I want bullet pionts and examples.

[fr0d0]

Show me how that is proof of Christianity then. Nothing Jesus did was conclusive evidence for anybody at the time. Faith was always a requirement

Seeing Jesus in the flesh would be solid proof of Christianity to anyone! Especially when he turns water into wine and feeds 5000 people with 5 small loaves and 2 fish, die on the cross and resurrect from the death. (Also, the people witnessed the holy spirit appearing something like tongues of flame over each one's head...)

If I saw ANY of these things why the hell would I need faith to believe in Christianity? I've seen the evidence!

No you wouldn't. You'd immediately think... how did he/ they just pull off that illusion. At the time there were a plethora of messiah wannabees performing tricks. And this was precisely the reaction of some onlookers.

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I want bullet pionts and examples.

• There can be no proof
  

[Craveman]

No you wouldn't. You'd immediately think... how did he/ they just pull off that illusion. At the time there were a plethora of messiah wannabees performing tricks. And this was precisely the reaction of some onlookers.

We are talking about primative people here. They didn't have all the modern technology that we have to create complex illusions.

Sure, people might have questioned certain things but to see Jesus walking on water, healing lepars, healing the blind and/or deaf, raising Lazarus from the dead, calming the stormy seas, etc. that can't be explained and people would have taken it for what it was. Miracles.

[fr0d0]

You underestimate those people then. How come people rejected him in the face of all this proof then? ...because God never has provided verifiable proof of himself ever. It's an absolute we can know.

[Craveman]

You underestimate those people then. How come people rejected him in the face of all this proof then?

What makes you jump to this conclusion? The accounts in the Bible? Remember that the bible was written way after the death of Jesus. I would argue that the majority of the accounts of the witnesess of Jesus' miracles never got written down because of the time that elapsed since his death and the writing of the bible. Most would have followed him blindly after witnessing his miracles.

...because God never has provided verifiable proof of himself ever. It's an absolute we can know.

Again if you would have had an account from the witnesses of say when Lazarus got raised from the dead, they would have confirmed it.

[downbeatplumb]

Show me how that is proof of Christianity then. Nothing Jesus did was conclusive evidence for anybody at the time. Faith was always a requirement

Seeing Jesus in the flesh would be solid proof of Christianity to anyone! Especially when he turns water into wine and feeds 5000 people with 5 small loaves and 2 fish, die on the cross and resurrect from the death. (Also, the people witnessed the holy spirit appearing something like tongues of flame over each one's head...)

If I saw ANY of these things why the hell would I need faith to believe in Christianity? I've seen the evidence!

No you wouldn't. You'd immediately think... how did he/ they just pull off that illusion. At the time there were a plethora of messiah wannabees performing tricks. And this was precisely the reaction of some onlookers.

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I want bullet pionts and examples.

• There can be no proof
  

I have to agree with Frodo here.
If I were in the crowd and someone claimed to turn water into wine I'd wonder how the trick was done.
I would not think this man must be God, I'd think he was a magician.
But how do we know they werent tricks, If they could be interpreted as tricks whats to say the weren't.

It wouldnt be the only time people performed tricks and claim they are real. (I'm looking at you Yuri Geller)