SCIENCE FINALLY PROVES....

[The Architect Of Fate]

Watch the videos and we'll talk! Otherwise....talk amongst yourselves, children!

Or you could defend your own position rather than posting videoes and proclaiming victory

[The Grand Nudger]

Anyone willing to further sink the credibility of Christ by chaining him to a curtain is a sheet worshiper more than a god worshiper, imo.

[Bucky Ball]

Isaiah 35:8
A highway will be there, a roadway,
And it will be called the Highway of Holiness.
The unclean will not travel on it,
But it will be for him who walks that way,
And fools will not wander on it.

Unfortunately for self-righteous people, such as yourself, who actually know nothing about their own scripture, the entire Book of Isaiah was 
an attempt (there were 3 writers of "Isaiah", universally accepted by scholars), to tell the people that their suffering was OVER, and their
sin was forgiven. 

"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

Whether you read ancient Near Eastern literature in *their* context, or read it in the context of modern Fundy Literalism, your message reflects a unique ignorance, and lack of education. 

Jesus knew about people like you. 
Luke 18: 10-14. 

“Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer. [b]I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’]I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

[Bucky Ball]

Jesus Christ: Life, Suffering, Death & Resurrection!

All in ONE document; revealed by Scientists using the latest Technologies.

Here's your "repeatable, empirical evidence" .... So, I guess it's back to Rebellion?

Nickell, in 1983, and Gregory S. Paul in 2010, separately state that the proportions of the image are not realistic. Paul stated that the face and proportions of the shroud image are impossible, that the figure cannot represent that of an actual person and that the posture was inconsistent. They argued that the forehead on the shroud is too small; and that the arms are too long and of different lengths and that the distance from the eyebrows to the top of the head is non-representative. They concluded that the features can be explained if the shroud is a work of a Gothic artist.

https://www.inquisitr.com/1559438/turin-...-says-yes/

The Turin Shroud never touched Jesus Christ — it was just a prop for medieval Easter celebrations, according to British scholar Charles Freeman. Freeman’s theories are in line with the carbon dating analysis that puts the shroud’s creation at about the 14th century, which challenges the wide-spread speculation that it is the real deal.

The 14-foot-long, 3-foot-wide brown cloth stained with the impression of Jesus Christ is one of the most scrutinized artifacts in the modern world. If real, the cloth gives indisputable proof that Jesus Christ was a real person.

But scientific evidence points to the Turin shroud being a fake. In 1988, three laboratories used carbon dating to determine that the cloth was created sometime between 1260 and 1390, a date that matches with the first medieval references.

According to The Guardian, Charles Freeman goes one step further to say that the shroud was a prop used to celebrate Jesus Christ in medieval Easter rituals, using ancient descriptions of the cloth to put its history together.

The first reference to the Turin Shroud came in 1355, when it was in the chapel in Lirey near Troyes in France. The House of Savoy then got the cloth in 1453, and from that point forward, the history of the shroud was well recorded — as far medieval record keeping goes.

Aside from claiming that Jesus Christ was never wrapped in the cloth, one of the more shocking revelations from Freeman’s research is that the shroud appears to have changed.

“Astonishingly, few researchers appear to have grasped that the shroud looked very different in the 16th and 17th centuries from the object we see today.”

Freeman turned up a little-known, meticulously-made engraving by Antonio Tempesta emphasizing Jesus’ blood and scourge marks, traits that are reinforced by ancient descriptions, but are not apparent today. The blood and scourge marks are more consistent with the earlier medieval depictions of Christ, and naturally makes for a better stage prop.

The theatrical ceremony Freeman believes the shroud was used in is called the “Quem quaeritis?” or “whom do you seek?” According to the researcher’s explanation, it may have been a bit creepy.

“On Easter morning the gospel accounts of the resurrection would be re-enacted with ‘disciples’ acting out a presentation in which they would enter a makeshift tomb and bring out the grave clothes to show that Christ had indeed risen.”

Despite the thorough explanation and historical references for the shroud, it seems likely that believers will continue to believe the cloth is the actual death shroud of Christ. Some scientific theories have said there is a possibility that the carbon dating tests were inaccurate.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Anyone willing to further sink the credibility of Christ by chaining him to a curtain is a sheet worshiper more than a god worshiper, imo.

Years ago, I was present when one of my little nephews vommed chocolate milk and scrambled egg on his mum’s white linen tablecloth. The resulting image looked more like Jesus than the one on the Shroud. Nobody panicked.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Anyone willing to further sink the credibility of Christ by chaining him to a curtain is a sheet worshiper more than a god worshiper, imo.

Years ago, I was present when one of my little nephews vommed chocolate milk and scrambled egg on his mum’s white linen tablecloth. The resulting image looked more like Jesus than the one on the Shroud. Nobody panicked.

Boru

Some of the posts in this thread are done by the same method.

[Bucky Ball]

Look up "camera obscura". 
The Italians (Florentines) knew how to take "photographs" and the mandilion was but another one of these.

[Neo-Scholastic]

As a semi-professional artist who has actually used a camera obscura, I can say with absolute certainty that the image on the shroud was not produced by using one. To suggest it was demostrates laughable ignorance about those kinds devices and their limitations.

[Anomalocaris]

yeah, the competent use of camera obscura would have resulting in a less obvious looking fake.

[LinuxGal]

You were the only one interested in some logical debate on the shroud. All your questions are answered in the 
longer versions of the videos.

Galileo: "The Vatican isn't interested in any evidence for the geocentric model.  I centered a waxing gibbous Venus in my telescope and they wouldn't even look in the eyepiece!"

Ronedee: "I'm just like Galileo!  They wouldn't even surf to my Holy Shroud video!"