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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 4, 2024 at 5:39 pm
(February 4, 2024 at 10:27 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: I think it's still very early; we have several months before election day. I'm willing to agree that the next POTUS will be a Democrat or Republican (rather than any of the independent or 3rd party candidates), but not necessarily Trump or Biden - at this time.
What a daring thing to say!
(February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: Efforts are being made to block Trump from being on ballots & if SCOTUS were to say that he's disqualified for insurrection, then obviously he'll no longer be a candidate.
The SCOTUS with three of Trump's appointees? That SCOTUS? No, they will allow him onto ballots as they won't want to be thought of as impeding democracy.
(February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: With the influence peddling allegations/situation against Biden, something like an impeachment or whatever could mean he might also no longer be a candidate.
Even if the House can manage to lay charges, Biden still won't be convicted with 50 Dems in the Senate.
(February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: I could be wrong; I'm not a legal expert. I'm just guessing based on what's being reported in the news. If they are possible, then I think the likelihood is significant.
If you wanted me to venture a guess on who I think could be the POTUS candidates, I would say Harris vs. Haley (nothing more than just my own guess).
Those are the only real alternatives, sure. But this is much ado about nothing. Trump may or may not be sitting in the pen by polling day, but our courts work slowly enough.
(February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: What I'm trying to say is that the Gaza single-issue voters isn't necessarily what matters or the only thing that's going to matter for Biden.
I know. I've already acknowledged that.
(February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: Gaza doesn't only matter to American Muslim voters, it also matters to a broader range of American voters who aren't Muslims - regardless of whether or not any of them are single-issue voters.
I think it's fair to say Muslims are more likely to be single-issue voters about Gaza than non-Muslims. Should Biden risk 2 million votes with polls so dismal?
(February 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm)neil Wrote: It can also have an impact on Trump; some Muslim Americans vote Republican, and some of them could be Gaza single-issue voters; also, not all (non-Muslim) Republicans or Right-leaning swing voters in general are for US support of Israel's atrocities against Gaza.
Do you have any numbers supporting these claims? How many Republican Muslims does Trump stand to lose, against how many Dem Muslims Biden stands to lose?
I don't know specific numbers. Does that detail matter?
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 4, 2024 at 5:39 pm
It’s interesting that Democratic support for Biden is - or at least appears to be - astronomically higher than Republican support for Trump.
I’m sure there are other factors at play, but Trump pulled 51/54% in Iowa/New Hampshire, while Biden got 64/96% in New Hampshire/South Carolina. It’s early days yet, but still.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 4, 2024 at 8:40 pm
(February 4, 2024 at 5:39 pm)neil Wrote: I don't know specific numbers. Does that detail matter?
It does to me, pertaining to my question: who stands to lose more on this one issue, from one-issue voters?
If you don't know and don't care, it's all good, I just like to calibrate opinions I read, especially online..
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 4, 2024 at 8:45 pm
(February 4, 2024 at 5:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’m sure there are other factors at play, but Trump pulled 51/54% in Iowa/New Hampshire, while Biden got 64/96% in New Hampshire/South Carolina. It’s early days yet, but still.
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I think the big factor is that Dems are lining up behind the incumbent, and that his one primary opponent is quite unknown. There's a lot of dissatisfaction with him all the same, but it's hard to read.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 5, 2024 at 1:39 am
(February 4, 2024 at 8:40 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (February 4, 2024 at 5:39 pm)neil Wrote: I don't know specific numbers. Does that detail matter?
It does to me, pertaining to my question: who stands to lose more on this one issue, from one-issue voters?
If you don't know and don't care, it's all good, I just like to calibrate opinions I read, especially online..
I wouldn't provide opinions on what the specific numbers are; I'd do what anyone can do - look them up.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 5, 2024 at 2:24 am
(February 5, 2024 at 1:39 am)neil Wrote: (February 4, 2024 at 8:40 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It does to me, pertaining to my question: who stands to lose more on this one issue, from one-issue voters?
If you don't know and don't care, it's all good, I just like to calibrate opinions I read, especially online..
I wouldn't provide opinions on what the specific numbers are; I'd do what anyone can do - look them up.
As far as I can tell, the whole debate revolves around how much people hate Trump. Do Muslims hate him enough? Do blacks hate him enough?
What's missing is why anyone would vote for Biden. Why doesn't he take some action that would motivate people to vote for him?
"Trump" or "Not Trump" seems to be the whole campaign.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 5, 2024 at 6:13 am
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(February 5, 2024 at 2:24 am)Belacqua Wrote: (February 5, 2024 at 1:39 am)neil Wrote: I wouldn't provide opinions on what the specific numbers are; I'd do what anyone can do - look them up.
As far as I can tell, the whole debate revolves around how much people hate Trump. Do Muslims hate him enough? Do blacks hate him enough?
What's missing is why anyone would vote for Biden. Why doesn't he take some action that would motivate people to vote for him?
"Trump" or "Not Trump" seems to be the whole campaign.
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Is Biden perfect? Obviously not. But the contention that he hasn't done anything to motivate people to vote for him is just idiotic.
His problem is messaging, not performance.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 5, 2024 at 10:00 am
(February 5, 2024 at 1:39 am)neil Wrote: (February 4, 2024 at 8:40 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It does to me, pertaining to my question: who stands to lose more on this one issue, from one-issue voters?
If you don't know and don't care, it's all good, I just like to calibrate opinions I read, especially online..
I wouldn't provide opinions on what the specific numbers are; I'd do what anyone can do - look them up.
I tried and couldn't find any, hence, my request that you support your point with data.
You don't have it; that's fine. Have a nice day.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 5, 2024 at 11:16 am
(February 5, 2024 at 6:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Is Biden perfect? Obviously not. But the contention that he hasn't done anything to motivate people to vote for him is just idiotic.
His problem is messaging, not performance.
Boru
Pretty much. To win the gig he promised not to do anything, and that impression stuck.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
February 5, 2024 at 11:41 am
(February 5, 2024 at 11:16 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (February 5, 2024 at 6:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Is Biden perfect? Obviously not. But the contention that he hasn't done anything to motivate people to vote for him is just idiotic.
His problem is messaging, not performance.
Boru
Pretty much. To win the gig he promised not to do anything, and that impression stuck.
I’m sure he’s got PR people on the payroll. He should use them.
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