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No fasting does not give you benefits and you are not fasting during ramadan ..you are just turning your eating timetable upside down....yippeee any shift worker can do that ...it isn't that holy. The practice seems to me to be stolen from hindu shamans.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
(February 18, 2011 at 2:22 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No fasting does not give you benefits and you are not fasting during ramadan ..you are just turning your eating timetable upside down....yippeee any shift worker can do that ...it isn't that holy. The practice seems to me to be stolen from hindu shamans.
1. The benefits of Ramadan fasting are found in the link. You didn't refute anything.
2. Ramadan = no food from sunrise to sunset = fasting.
3. This is more than just "turning the eating timetable upside down" because we do it for 12 hours while we are awake without any water.
4. You only said that it "seems" to you that the idea of fasting was stolen from the Hindus, but of course, that's not an evidence.
5. I don't want to repeat myself anymore and this is off-topic anyways. You can ask me questions if you want to but I'm not going to argue about this.
(February 18, 2011 at 2:22 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No fasting does not give you benefits and you are not fasting during ramadan ..you are just turning your eating timetable upside down....yippeee any shift worker can do that ...it isn't that holy. The practice seems to me to be stolen from hindu shamans.
1. The benefits of Ramadan fasting are found in the link. You didn't refute anything.
2. Ramadan = no food from sunrise to sunset = fasting.
3. This is more than just "turning the eating timetable upside down" because we do it for 12 hours while we are awake without any water.
4. You only said that it "seems" to you that the idea of fasting was stolen from the Hindus, but of course, that's not an evidence.
5. I don't want to repeat myself anymore and this is off-topic anyways. You can ask me questions if you want to but I'm not going to argue about this.
Why because I am a female?? Or because you know I am right?? Silly male
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Basically all statements to the effect that I am right. You do NOT FAST during your supposed Holy Days. All you do is turn you eating habits upside down and gorge at dusk and at dawn....you HAVE TO.
The best you can say is that you do not eat or drink during daylight hours this is not a fast...because I do this every night!! Big deal!! Why I am bothering is that I feel people should really look into their religions and question why they are suppose to do such and such and be informed of the risks and precautions of that practice (hence the quacks URL).
Depriving the brain of glucose will bring you closer to your god....do it for long enough and you will be brain dead.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am (This post was last modified: February 20, 2011 at 6:49 am by KichigaiNeko.)
Sorry Rayaan...but this was just too precious to pass up and I doubt very much you will do the necessary investigation into your "adopted religion"
Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan Wrote:Origins of Ramadan The name "Ramadan" had been the name of the ninth month in Arabian culture long before the arrival of Islam; the word itself derived from an Arabic root rmḍ, as in words like "ramiḍa" or "ar-ramaḍ" denoting intense heat,[2] scorched ground and shortness of rations. In the Qur'an, God proclaims that "fasting has been written down (as obligatory) upon you, as it was upon those before you". According to the earliest hadith, this refers to the Jewish practice of fasting on Yom Kippur.[3][4]
So essentially you "have" to fast because "THERE IS NO FOOD!!" And to make it all legit you are told that " this refers to the Jewish custom of Yom Kippur" and is an edict from your g-allah
Not very original mate...so your "holy prophet" steals ideas from other religions...and THEN has the audacity to say that THEY are wrong??? What a
Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan Wrote:Economic aspects in Egypt, national statistics have pointed to substantial increase in consumption of food, electricity, and medications related to digestive disorders during the month of Ramadan as compared with the monthly average in the rest of the year.[21]
This would be a rather compelling argument that you do NOT fast during Ramadan at all.... but indulge in 'Binge eating' (very religious of you mate...)
Wikihttp://wikiislam.net/wiki/Adverse_Effects_of_Islamic_Fasting#What_is_Islamic_fasting.3F Wrote: Affect on Circadian Patterns
This change of meal schedule is accompanied with changes in sleep habits, such as delayed and shortened sleep periods, which may affect endocrine and neuroendocrine circadian patterns. Several cardiovascular parameters (i.e., heart rate, blood pressure, vascular tone, and coagulation-fibrinolysis) show circadian pattern. Several studies reported that autonomic activity and melatonin rhtyhmicity may be responsible for circadian patterns of cardiovascular parameters. Changes of sleep habit in Ramadan affects autonomic activity and melatonin rhtyhmicity. The other negative effects may be that, during fasting patients with cardiovascular disease cannot consume medications, such as anti-ischemic, anti-platelet, anti-hypertensive drugs, and drugs of heart failure on time. Some patients may get admitted to the hospital with cardiovascular symptoms owing to failure of therapy.[3]
Yup sounds "REALLY HEALTHY TO ME"
Let's face it mate the whole fasting thing is a joke with regards to religion; yes you WILL get closer to your godboy (in may cases through death) because you are causing your own 'ill-health'...the Imams, Rabbis and Priests have forgotten WHY the ritual was called for in the first place.
Frankly I love Yiddish /Kosher, Middle Eastern (Turkish, Lebanese, Greek and Spanish) food and can understand the reasoning behind some of the dietary prohibitions from various cultural religious edicts. But to claim goddidit!! You are really in sore need of a dose of reality mate. Maybe get something "Simply Irresistible"
Wiki http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Adverse_Effect...fasting.3F Wrote:ConclusionIntermittent and prolonged fasting is generally not conducive to a healthy lifestyle. Depriving the body of water and essential nutrients by dividing and postponing meals to irregular intervals does nothing to limit consumption. Infact it causes a host of health, performance and mood disorders. Fasting is not normally prescribed for the well being of human beings. Instead, it is commonly understood that eating healthy, smaller-portioned meals, interspersed throughout the day is far better in maintaining a well-balanced diet and far more forgiving on a person's metabolism. Any claims that prolonged and intermittent fasting contributes to the well-being of an individual's health are misleading, based on the scientific studies that prove otherwise. If the Islamic argument in favor of fasting is that “we fast because God commanded us to do so," then it is obvious that God is not a nutritionist or a dietitian because the negatives definitely outweigh the positives.
So the question to the Muslim world is: keeping in mind the above adverse affects of fasting observed in studies, what benefit does the Muslim world get for 1 billion people staying hungry throughout the day for one full month every year? Did Allah actually want Muslims to suffer physically, socially and economically for one month every year? Also, if fasting is beneficial as Muslims claim, why do Muslims not fast the entire year instead of just one month?
And so my dear puny little man thing..... your "fast" issue has been refuted
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
February 21, 2011 at 7:15 am (This post was last modified: February 21, 2011 at 7:25 am by Rayaan.)
(February 19, 2011 at 3:39 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: For your reading pleasure Rayaan....
Thanks, I've looked through the links. But I'll agree to disagree with the rest of your comments. I made my point and you made yours.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Not very original mate...so your "holy prophet" steals ideas from other religions...and THEN has the audacity to say that THEY are wrong???
Well, it's your own opinion that he stole ideas from other religions.
You think that he's a liar like all the other prophets. But that's okay with me. I don't want to argue about that.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Let's face it mate the whole fasting thing is a joke with regards to religion; yes you WILL get closer to your godboy (in may cases through death) because you are causing your own 'ill-health'...the Imams, Rabbis and Priests have forgotten WHY the ritual was called for in the first place.
I won't deny that fasting can sometimes cause health problems. I've experienced it myself as well.
When I was fasting during last Ramadan, one day I saw that my urine was coming out red (which was actually blood in the urine). So, after going to the hospital the doctor told me that there was a very small stone in my kidney (about 1 millimeter in size). She said that it was because of not getting enough fluid in body which might've been due to fasting. But still, that didn't scare me. It was a minor problem and it didn't take away my faith nor my desire to fast. One day later, I pissed out the stone and my urine was back to normal.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: And so my dear puny little man thing..... your "fast" issue has been refuted
You think you refuted them, and also know that "wiki-islam" is a highly anti-Islamic website. The writers will try to focus on the negative aspects as much as possible.
February 21, 2011 at 9:18 am (This post was last modified: February 21, 2011 at 9:25 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(February 21, 2011 at 7:15 am)Rayaan Wrote:
(February 19, 2011 at 3:39 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: For your reading pleasure Rayaan....
Thanks, I've looked through the links. But I'll agree to disagree with the rest of your comments. I made my point and you made yours.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Not very original mate...so your "holy prophet" steals ideas from other religions...and THEN has the audacity to say that THEY are wrong???
Well, it's your own opinion that he stole ideas from other religions.
You think that he's a liar like all the other prophets. But that's okay with me. I don't want to argue about that.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Let's face it mate the whole fasting thing is a joke with regards to religion; yes you WILL get closer to your godboy (in may cases through death) because you are causing your own 'ill-health'...the Imams, Rabbis and Priests have forgotten WHY the ritual was called for in the first place.
I won't deny that fasting can sometimes cause health problems. I've experienced it myself as well.
When I was fasting during last Ramadan, one day I saw that my urine was coming out red (which was actually blood in the urine). So, after going to the hospital the doctor told me that there was a very small stone in my kidney (about 1 millimeter in size). She said that it was because of not getting enough fluid in body which might've been due to fasting. But still, that didn't scare me. It was a minor problem and it didn't take away my faith nor my desire to fast. One day later, I pissed out the stone and my urine was back to normal.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: And so my dear puny little man thing..... your "fast" issue has been refuted
You think you refuted them, and also know that "wiki-islam" is a highly anti-Islamic website. The writers will try to focus on the negative aspects as much as possible.
(February 21, 2011 at 7:15 am)Rayaan Wrote:
(February 19, 2011 at 3:39 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: For your reading pleasure Rayaan....
Thanks, I've looked through the links. But I'll agree to disagree with the rest of your comments. I made my point and you made yours.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Not very original mate...so your "holy prophet" steals ideas from other religions...and THEN has the audacity to say that THEY are wrong???
Well, it's your own opinion that he stole ideas from other religions.
You think that he's a liar like all the other prophets. But that's okay with me. I don't want to argue about that.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Let's face it mate the whole fasting thing is a joke with regards to religion; yes you WILL get closer to your godboy (in may cases through death) because you are causing your own 'ill-health'...the Imams, Rabbis and Priests have forgotten WHY the ritual was called for in the first place.
I won't deny that fasting can sometimes cause health problems. I've experienced it myself as well.
When I was fasting during last Ramadan, one day I saw that my urine was coming out red (which was actually blood in the urine). So, after going to the hospital the doctor told me that there was a very small stone in my kidney (about 1 millimeter in size). She said that it was because of not getting enough fluid in body which might've been due to fasting. But still, that didn't scare me. It was a minor problem and it didn't take away my faith nor my desire to fast. One day later, I pissed out the stone and my urine was back to normal.
(February 20, 2011 at 6:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: And so my dear puny little man thing..... your "fast" issue has been refuted
You think you refuted them, and also know that "wiki-islam" is a highly anti-Islamic website. The writers will try to focus on the negative aspects as much as possible.
As I said puny little man thing...you have your refutation. I prefer wiki as it does strive to be unbiased. You want to pull the victim card int this argument that is your business (inaccurate as it is)
If you want negativity try the "Quack" site for more info
No I do not think...I know I have given what you asked for in the way of refutation.
All statements to the effect that you don't know much at all. Least of all your own precious religion.
Thanks for bothering to reply.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Ramadan in Islamic countries is coming back. Month of fasting, had little time. My idea of fasting is harmful to health.
In addition, fasting time closer to the poles increases.
How exactly not eating, or drinking water can be good for you, while the best diet is to eat frequently and in lesser portions, and drinking water at least as much as you lost? In here(Turkey), doctors always warn people who will fast in ramadan to be careful, and not to work if possible(which isn't). It has no scientifically proved benefit, but lots of dangers, it can be fatal to diabetics and it is harmful to everyone, and it certainly not good for losing weight. Actually it's impossible to lose weight by muslim way of fasting, there is a better chance to get fatty because of the glory of iftar* meals...
iftar: the breaking of the Ramadan fast; the evening meal during Ramadan
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