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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Minimalist -
Not everyone who believes in god has any interest in battling with others over the details. But going back to the issue here, what GWB said was designed to appeal to those who already agree with him about either god having told him to start the war, or, about the war being justified on any grounds whatsoever. It would not have changed anybody's mind about anything.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 5:59 pm
(July 17, 2010 at 5:21 pm)Godhead Wrote: Minimalist -
Not everyone who believes in god has any interest in battling with others over the details. But going back to the issue here, what GWB said was designed to appeal to those who already agree with him about either god having told him to start the war, or, about the war being justified on any grounds whatsoever. It would not have changed anybody's mind about anything.
No, I am fairly sure that he believed God had commanded him to start a war. For obvious reasons, I don't believe God did do so, any more than you do, but there's no reason to doubt his sincerity, apart from the fact that he was a politician, as most politicians are duplicitous bastards. Also, it may well have changed some people's minds, or at least got them off the fence. Credulous rednecks might well have believed that God spoke to him.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Omnissiunt one -
We could debate whether or not he really meant it but the only way to know is to ask him but we can't do that. I think he didn't, but my point is that his intention was to appear justified. In my view, he did a bad job, because first of all, some people don't even believe in god, others do but don't believe that god told him to do anything, and others don't feel that the war is justified anyway. All of those people wouldn't have been persuaded by his statement, and anyone who does believe everything he said wouldn't have been persuaded either simply because they would already agree with him.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm
(July 17, 2010 at 5:21 pm)Godhead Wrote: Minimalist -
Not everyone who believes in god has any interest in battling with others over the details. But going back to the issue here, what GWB said was designed to appeal to those who already agree with him about either god having told him to start the war, or, about the war being justified on any grounds whatsoever. It would not have changed anybody's mind about anything.
I can see that went right over your head, G-H.
Bush's vision of 'god' is as valid as your's. Both are little more than made-up shit. If your god doesn't want you to kill people that's fine. I wish there were more of you walking around. Unnfortunately, history tells us that the Bush-class fuckwits are in the majority.
Remember, they'd gladly kill you too for envisioning such a namby-pamby god if they got the chance.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Minimalst -
In such a short space of time you've managed to do so much. You paint a bleak picture of what the majority of theists believe and would do to me (the world extends well beyond the bible belt), you pay me a compliment (thank you, I can assure you that I'm not an oddity among theists), and again you've missed my point. My point is simply that such a statement from GBW would not convince anyone of anything.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 7:04 pm
(July 17, 2010 at 6:43 pm)Godhead Wrote: Minimalst -
In such a short space of time you've managed to do so much. You paint a bleak picture of what the majority of theists believe and would do to me (the world extends well beyond the bible belt), you pay me a compliment (thank you, I can assure you that I'm not an oddity among theists), and again you've missed my point. My point is simply that such a statement from GBW would not convince anyone of anything.
I agree with Minimalist.
You argue that most theists are not like that. Why the hell did your all knowing god create a bible that is so hard to interpret. You claim the bible is the word of god so stop turning your back on parts of it so it suits you - all theists do that.
It is clearly full of evil acts done by your 'god'. An all loving god wouldn't think of doing those things. The god of the bible - and most 'gods' are evil bastards. I do not want to believe that crap. I do not want to follow an evil book. Hell, even the Nazis look all-loving compared to your god!
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm
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Coolboy -
The god that I believe in didn't create a bible. I don't claim that the bible is the word of god. The biblical god isn't my god. I'm not a christian. Not all theists are christians. Nevertheless what GWB said could not have really convinced anyone of anything. It was a poor attempt at creating an air of credibility.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 9:54 pm
(July 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm)Godhead Wrote: Coolboy -
The god that I believe in didn't create a bible. I don't claim that the bible is the word of god. The biblical god isn't my god. I'm not a christian. Not all theists are christians. Nevertheless what GWB said could not have really convinced anyone of anything. It was a poor attempt at creating an air of credibility.
So what?
That is not the point of my original statement, the fact remains that he said it.
Look at the name of this thread, he is claiming that god told him to kill people(by starting a war).
And no-one said fuck all in opposition.
In Oz if our prime minister came out with such a blatant lie he probably be out of his job before weeks end.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Zen Badger -
Yes, he said it. We know that. And clearly he can't have influenced anybody who already agreed with him, nor anyone who disagreed with him. It was a useless statement to make on his part.
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RE: How would you respond to a person killing someone else because God told him to?
July 17, 2010 at 10:13 pm
(July 17, 2010 at 10:04 pm)Godhead Wrote: Zen Badger -
Yes, he said it. We know that. And clearly he can't have influenced anybody who already agreed with him, nor anyone who disagreed with him. It was a useless statement to make on his part.
Are my posts coming up on your computer in a language other than english?
Because it is clear that you are not comperhending what I am saying.
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