Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 17, 2024, 12:59 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Some thoughts on "god"
#11
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 4, 2024 at 10:46 pm)Belacqua Wrote: I think it's interesting to see that Dawkins has become somewhat less one-"tract" in his thinking. I'm curious to see where he goes with this.

Like, where do you think it would go?

Dawkins was always culturally Christian (Anglican) as he regularly congratulates people on Christmas every year, and attends the church to sing Christmas songs.

I guess this is how it is mostly in England, that they are mostly cultural Christians. Like in the movie "Bridget Jones's Diary 3" when they are in the church and nobody cares what is going on, and they yell the word 'fuck'.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
Reply
#12
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 4, 2024 at 9:37 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Recently, Richard Dawkins has begun calling himself a "cultural Christian." He seems to be taking a view (similar to that of historian Tom Holland) that although Christianity itself is declining, society in Europe and America is the way it is because it evolved out of Christian culture. Good bad and indifferent, we are the way we are because of our society's Christian history.

I don't know how far Dawkins has thought this out. He has called Christianity ludicrous, which means that the basis of the culture he wants to defend is ludicrous. Is it possible to respect and defend a deracinated society when its foundation has been rejected?

It looks to me as though his new position is a reaction to growing Muslim influence in British life. He dislikes Christianity, but he dislikes Islam more. He feels warm and fuzzy when he hears the church bells of Oxford and sees the church spires, but recoils from the call of the muezzin.

I understand that he's barely relevant any more, but it would be interesting to hear him develop this idea.

Are you always this clueless?!? You have obviously read much more into Dawkins' statement than e actually meant.
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
Reply
#13
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 4, 2024 at 10:46 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(April 4, 2024 at 10:29 pm)brewer Wrote: We are the way we are is due to many factors, christianity is only one of thousands. 

You're so one tract it's fucking ridiculous.

I think it's interesting to see that Dawkins has become somewhat less one-"tract" in his thinking. I'm curious to see where he goes with this.

Wow. You are that clueless.

Fuckin' priceless!
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
Reply
#14
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 4, 2024 at 9:37 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Recently, Richard Dawkins has begun calling himself a "cultural Christian." He seems to be taking a view (similar to that of historian Tom Holland) that although Christianity itself is declining, society in Europe and America is the way it is because it evolved out of Christian culture. Good bad and indifferent, we are the way we are because of our society's Christian history.

I don't know how far Dawkins has thought this out. He has called Christianity ludicrous, which means that the basis of the culture he wants to defend is ludicrous. Is it possible to respect and defend a deracinated society when its foundation has been rejected?

It looks to me as though his new position is a reaction to growing Muslim influence in British life. He dislikes Christianity, but he dislikes Islam more. He feels warm and fuzzy when he hears the church bells of Oxford and sees the church spires, but recoils from the call of the muezzin.

I understand that he's barely relevant any more, but it would be interesting to hear him develop this idea.

Not that recently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7136682.stm
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Reply
#15
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
Well, it was in the 2000s. Gotta give some people reporting info a bit of leeway. smh (not at you Agenda)
  
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
                                      
Reply
#16
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 5, 2024 at 1:39 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(April 4, 2024 at 9:37 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Recently, Richard Dawkins has begun calling himself a "cultural Christian." He seems to be taking a view (similar to that of historian Tom Holland) that although Christianity itself is declining, society in Europe and America is the way it is because it evolved out of Christian culture. Good bad and indifferent, we are the way we are because of our society's Christian history.

I don't know how far Dawkins has thought this out. He has called Christianity ludicrous, which means that the basis of the culture he wants to defend is ludicrous. Is it possible to respect and defend a deracinated society when its foundation has been rejected?

It looks to me as though his new position is a reaction to growing Muslim influence in British life. He dislikes Christianity, but he dislikes Islam more. He feels warm and fuzzy when he hears the church bells of Oxford and sees the church spires, but recoils from the call of the muezzin.

I understand that he's barely relevant any more, but it would be interesting to hear him develop this idea.

Not that recently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7136682.stm

News takes a bit of time to get to Japan.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
Reply
#17
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 4, 2024 at 9:37 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Recently, Richard Dawkins has begun calling himself a "cultural Christian." He seems to be taking a view (similar to that of historian Tom Holland) that although Christianity itself is declining, society in Europe and America is the way it is because it evolved out of Christian culture. Good bad and indifferent, we are the way we are because of our society's Christian history.

I don't know how far Dawkins has thought this out. He has called Christianity ludicrous, which means that the basis of the culture he wants to defend is ludicrous. Is it possible to respect and defend a deracinated society when its foundation has been rejected?

It looks to me as though his new position is a reaction to growing Muslim influence in British life. He dislikes Christianity, but he dislikes Islam more. He feels warm and fuzzy when he hears the church bells of Oxford and sees the church spires, but recoils from the call of the muezzin.

I understand that he's barely relevant any more, but it would be interesting to hear him develop this idea.

I think what he calls ‘ludicrous’ is religious faith, not religion-based culture.

I don’t see the conflict. Like professor Dawkins, I enjoy the Christmas holiday, church architecture, and even some liturgical music. Being raised in a religious culture leaves a stamp.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
Reply
#18
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
Any excuse for a party!
Reply
#19
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
You need an excuse?
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

Reply
#20
RE: Some thoughts on "god"
(April 5, 2024 at 3:41 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: You need an excuse?

First excuse on my list is "the null state".
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Some Thoughts on the Goodness of God God_is_Good 49 2669 April 10, 2024 at 7:18 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  A Believer's Thoughts on Faith rlp21858 168 12126 July 9, 2022 at 3:43 pm
Last Post: Jehanne
  More thoughts about Immaculate Conception Graufreud 57 8669 July 31, 2018 at 8:02 pm
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
  Thoughts Lek 102 23972 October 16, 2017 at 10:05 am
Last Post: JackRussell
  My thoughts on heaven dyresand 24 7363 November 3, 2015 at 5:57 pm
Last Post: Wyrd of Gawd
  Random Thoughts on Hell: Daddy's Crazy Athene 47 8993 September 18, 2015 at 10:04 am
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  Thoughts on Atheism and Apologetics Randy Carson 105 18622 July 4, 2015 at 5:39 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Thoughts on gays and sin YahwehIsTheWay 77 18592 December 10, 2014 at 6:44 pm
Last Post: strawdawg
Video What are your thoughts on G-Man dyresand 18 7009 October 9, 2014 at 8:41 am
Last Post: Dystopia
  Im back! - Ray Comfort and Ken Ham & Bill Nye and Ken Ham Debate thoughts xr34p3rx 2 1670 March 9, 2014 at 3:47 am
Last Post: xr34p3rx



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)