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God's omnipresence
September 26, 2023 at 10:20 pm
To falsify the omnipresence of God, one need only demonstrate that God does not exist in at least one place.
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 6:00 am
No one has to disprove the claim of God's alleged omnipresence. It's up to proponents of that claim to prove it's true in the first place.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 6:03 am
surely any omnipotent god had the power to shout down any objections?
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 6:06 am
(September 27, 2023 at 6:03 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: surely any omnipotent god had the power to shout down any objections?
It would also have the power to ensure than no one would object in the first place. Funny how that didn’t happen.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 6:15 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2023 at 6:16 am by Ahriman.)
(September 27, 2023 at 6:03 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: surely any omnipotent god had the power to shout down any objections?
On the contrary, such a God would not need to shout down anything. He would have no objectors in the first place.
EDIT: Sorry, did not see Boru's comment.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 6:16 am
(September 27, 2023 at 6:15 am)Ahriman Wrote: (September 27, 2023 at 6:03 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: surely any omnipotent god had the power to shout down any objections?
On the contrary, such a God would not need to shout down anything. He would have no objectors in the first place.
Thank you for repeating what I said.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 10:40 am
(September 26, 2023 at 10:20 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: To falsify the omnipresence of God, one need only demonstrate that God does not exist in at least one place.
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
That doesn't falsify anything, God could be messing with them, allowing an illusion of privacy, free will, and if all possible explanations fail it's ineffable.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 12:02 pm
(September 27, 2023 at 10:40 am)Confabulate Wrote: (September 26, 2023 at 10:20 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: To falsify the omnipresence of God, one need only demonstrate that God does not exist in at least one place.
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
That doesn't falsify anything, God could be messing with them, allowing an illusion of privacy, free will, and if all possible explanations fail it's ineffable.
maybe god is just messing with then when he seem to demand to be worshipped?
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 12:08 pm
Seems omnipresence confllicts with omnipotence: If you're omnipresent you're everywhere by definition and if you're omnipresent you don't have to be anywhere you don't want to be. Believers often claim that hell is separation from God, that also seems to conflict with omnipresence. It's like they tacked on 'omnipresent' because they wanted to stack on more omni-attributes.
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RE: God's omnipresence
September 27, 2023 at 12:23 pm
(September 27, 2023 at 10:40 am)Confabulate Wrote: (September 26, 2023 at 10:20 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: To falsify the omnipresence of God, one need only demonstrate that God does not exist in at least one place.
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
That doesn't falsify anything, God could be messing with them, allowing an illusion of privacy, free will, and if all possible explanations fail it's ineffable.
god was just fucking with A&E. He knows they now know what evil looks like.
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