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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 10, 2023 at 11:38 pm
What would Jesus do? He would tell you to cut off your balls, slice off your hand, gouge out your eyes, kill a fig tree, and hate your family. But please don't listen to Jesus. He was a deluded impostor.
(Mat 19:12, Mat 18:8-9, Mark 11:12-25, Luke 14:26)
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 11, 2023 at 12:21 pm
(September 10, 2023 at 8:42 pm)ronedee Wrote: I just love how everything is a "fairytale", until it has some "use" against the Faithful. Then it's
gospel & absolute truth!
Obviously, something is either lost in the various translations. Or there's a deeper meaning that
heathen drones wouldn't understand anyway.
Long time no see ronedee! I hope you are well.
You kind of have to be certain you know what the Bible was supposed to say for it to be obvious that something was lost in translation. That's knowledge you can't possibly possess.
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 11, 2023 at 1:08 pm
(September 11, 2023 at 12:21 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (September 10, 2023 at 8:42 pm)ronedee Wrote: I just love how everything is a "fairytale", until it has some "use" against the Faithful. Then it's
gospel & absolute truth!
Obviously, something is either lost in the various translations. Or there's a deeper meaning that
heathen drones wouldn't understand anyway.
Long time no see ronedee! I hope you are well.
You kind of have to be certain you know what the Bible was supposed to say for it to be obvious that something was lost in translation. That's knowledge you can't possibly possess. Heya MA! I hope you are well also.
You know me, I like to throw a hot coal from titme to time Just to let the cohort know what their destiny is! 
Anyway, we really don't know the entire context of that passage? Nor, the period translations and meanings. I won't be a Theo-apologist. That don't play well here. Just offering that there are reasons it might not be literal oand have other ways to interpret it? I mean He got so much right!
IF this is the best that anyone has to diminish or refute Jesus? Uh....nope!
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 11, 2023 at 2:44 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2023 at 2:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Ah yes, context. So, jw's thought that the "context" was them. Between 1878 and 1925 the watchtower society predicted the second coming (already an excuse for the failure of the first) five times. 50 years of failed predictions. They let that cool for 50 years after that but couldn't help themselves. Did it again in 1975. It was only in 1995 that they let go of the idea that the second coming would have to happen during the life of the generation from 1914, and then in 2010 they changed their official doctrine on the subject.
It's a failed prediction. Always was. Always is. Intuitively, we think this would be a problem for religions based on predicitions... but, obviously, it's not.
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 12, 2023 at 6:13 am
(September 11, 2023 at 1:08 pm)ronedee Wrote: IF this is the best that anyone has to diminish or refute Jesus? Uh....nope!
Jesus' boys are like Trump's boys when it comes to their messiah: no matter what deceitful, horrible and cowardly stuff Jesus/ Trump has said and done, they ignore it and push their own version of Jesus/ Trump as they see him in their imagination.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 12, 2023 at 6:43 am
(September 7, 2023 at 8:41 am)Confabulate Wrote: That's as it maybe buy what you should fear is The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief, or tissues, does anyone still do handkerchiefs? Do deities still do handkerchiefs?
Every adult should be required by law to carry a handkerchief. Highly useful, multi-purpose items.
Suggested slogan for the International Handkerchief Cartel: ‘Hankies - More Than Just Snot Control’.
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 12, 2023 at 6:45 am
(September 6, 2023 at 12:54 pm)brewer Wrote: Sorry, the only thing that stuck was 'coming in the clouds'.
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 13, 2023 at 1:45 pm
(September 12, 2023 at 6:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (September 11, 2023 at 1:08 pm)ronedee Wrote: IF this is the best that anyone has to diminish or refute Jesus? Uh....nope!
Jesus' boys are like Trump's boys when it comes to their messiah: no matter what deceitful, horrible and cowardly stuff Jesus/ Trump has said and done, they ignore it and push their own version of Jesus/ Trump as they see him in their imagination.
"no matter what deceitful, horrible and cowardly stuff Jesus ________ has said and done"
LOL! Really? 
Quis ut Deus?
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 13, 2023 at 1:53 pm
(September 13, 2023 at 1:45 pm)ronedee Wrote: (September 12, 2023 at 6:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Jesus' boys are like Trump's boys when it comes to their messiah: no matter what deceitful, horrible and cowardly stuff Jesus/ Trump has said and done, they ignore it and push their own version of Jesus/ Trump as they see him in their imagination.
"no matter what deceitful, horrible and cowardly stuff Jesus ________ has said and done"
LOL! Really?
You are laughing to yourself how you ignore deceitful, horrible and cowardly stuff Jesus has said and done.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Slam dunk - Jesus had no clue
September 16, 2023 at 11:19 pm
(September 6, 2023 at 11:40 am)LinuxGal Wrote: Matthew 24:30-34 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory...Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled.
Mark 13:27-30 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven...Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be done.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till ALL be fulfilled.
Jesus could have been directing that statement to the Jewish opposition there around him at that time, who, within a generation would see the destruction of Jerusalem in 66 - 70 C.E. by Titus, the son of Emperor Vespasian where 1,100,000 Jews died and 97,000 were taken captive, most of whom died horrible deaths and the Christians who knew it would come were saved. (Matthew 24:16, 22) And Jesus may have been applying the same to those in opposition in the future as well.
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