A Rebellious People

[brewer]

It is not a 'child' until surviving the birth process. Until then (or at the very most surviving until 22 weeks and even then requiring extreme medical assistence), it is not a human life.

Is this a human life?

Warning, graphic fetal pathology. Open at your own risk.

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https://webpath.med.utah.edu/PEDHTML/PED006.html
https://webpath.med.utah.edu/PEDHTML/PED032.html
https://webpath.med.utah.edu/PEDHTML/PED026.html

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And these are a very few examples.

Why does your omnipotent god allow this? Get it yet, either it (or your feeble  concept) is a monster or does not exist. Or............ maybe you're the monster.

@Authari Hey dick head, why didn't you respond to my post? I know you read it.

Because you attribute the reality of nature to the bidding of God that's why I didn't respond to it, you also consider unborn children to be objects and not human, though that is exactly what they grow up to become, can something change from some other creature into a human or was it always human to begin with? Your degradation of what constitutes a human being is similar to how the white land owners who framed the constitution didn't consider black people to be human either but rather objects. It is a draconian line of thought truly, and yet people here call it civilized and humane. Anything to avoid complicity in murder.

Abortion is effectively saying to people, do what you want and don't worry about the consequences. Shouldn't we instead raise our children to be responsible adults instead? And if you disagree with that thought then I wish you luck when you get old and your children who have had six abortions don't want to take care of you in your old age because you never taught them to be responsible with their lives.

Empathy is this, a little life starts in the womb of a mother who can not afford the financial burden of having kids. Yet instead of choosing abortion she carries the child to term and gives it up to an adoption agency.

I little 'potentia'l life starts, affordability has no place in your argument. That's just your bullshit to continue your anti-abortion stance. Provide us with any conceret evidence for any gos(s). To date you have provided aboslutely none.

What malformed fetus, that I provided evidence for, would make it to term and live is eligible for adoption? Why did your all powerful god allow this to happen? Wait, I think I got it, they were all sinners in your mind right? God's justice at work.

The unborn have the potential to become humans, nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, I am old, no abortions.

I think your racist card is showing.

[Angrboda]

[C]an something change from some other creature into a human or was it always human to begin with?

Yes, it can. Dirt turns into grass which turns into a cow which turns into a cheeseburger which in a mom turns into a fetus which turns into a baby.

Does that puzzle you?

[Mister Agenda]

How are you going to execute the rapists before they commit a rape that results in pregnancy?

If people who would normally commit these actions would know that they would be executed when they were caught, many of them would simply never do the crime to begin with, its an effective method that works to prevent heinous crime. Naturally it won't stop ALL of them, but it will stop MOST of them. Even then, I think that the unborn child should be let alone, why not let at least one blessing arise from a tragedy? Even if the mother does not want to keep the child, what a greater show of respect it is to life to let such a child live and not let the actions of the rapist father in this case spell his own demise.

No study has been able to prove that the death penalty is an effective deterrant.

And many who would have stopped at raping their victims will then also murder them; because if the penalty for rape is death; murdering your victim is one of the basics of not getting caught. Whenever you put the death penalty on a crime other than murder, murders accompanying that crime go up. Reporting of rape goes down because the victim may not think the death penalty is warranted or is worried they might misidentify the perpetrator with a possibly innocent person's life on the line.

If you don't regard rape as an excuse for abortion, why go on about the 'promiscuity' of the women at all? It seems completely irrelevant to your position if rape isn't an exception.

[Mister Agenda]

Also the unborn child is not 'her body' that she gets to decide to do with as she wishes, it comes with its own set of organs and is capable of recognizing their mother's voice, yet you would have an unborn child that is capable of recognizing his mother's voice be thrown to the wolves with the abortion that many places allow where it is legal to have an abortion even a day before the expected mother was due to deliver. So to me more about how this individual being who is capable of recognizing his mother's voice does not have the protected rights of their person and their liberty?

Do you know at what stage of development the fetus is able to recognize its mother's voice? And if that is important, shouldn't abortions before that point be allowable? And if aborting fetuses before that point isn't allowable; then the capacity to recognize the voice of the mother is not relevant to your position, it's just a fallacious appeal to emotion.

[h4ym4n]

It is not a 'child' until surviving the birth process. Until then (or at the very most surviving until 22 weeks and even then requiring extreme medical assistence), it is not a human life.

Is this a human life?

Warning, graphic fetal pathology. Open at your own risk.

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https://webpath.med.utah.edu/PEDHTML/PED006.html
https://webpath.med.utah.edu/PEDHTML/PED032.html
https://webpath.med.utah.edu/PEDHTML/PED026.html

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And these are a very few examples.

Why does your omnipotent god allow this? Get it yet, either it (or your feeble  concept) is a monster or does not exist. Or............ maybe you're the monster.

@Authari Hey dick head, why didn't you respond to my post? I know you read it.

Because you attribute the reality of nature to the bidding of God that's why I didn't respond to it, you also consider unborn children to be objects and not human, though that is exactly what they grow up to become, can something change from some other creature into a human or was it always human to begin with? Your degradation of what constitutes a human being is similar to how the white land owners who framed the constitution didn't consider black people to be human either but rather objects. It is a draconian line of thought truly, and yet people here call it civilized and humane. Anything to avoid complicity in murder.

Abortion is effectively saying to people, do what you want and don't worry about the consequences. Shouldn't we instead raise our children to be responsible adults instead? And if you disagree with that thought then I wish you luck when you get old and your children who have had six abortions don't want to take care of you in your old age because you never taught them to be responsible with their lives.

Empathy is this, a little life starts in the womb of a mother who can not afford the financial burden of having kids. Yet instead of choosing abortion she carries the child to term and gives it up to an adoption agency.

Do you remember the point in time your parents failed you?

[no one]

Well, color me surprised. Another twaddle toting troglodyte. Here with more boring, jabbering, gibberish. Here with the same indistinguishable, interchangeable, prepared drivel, typical of it's penny a dozen herd.

Any question that cannot be corresponded to some stupid passage, in some stupid book, written by absolute morons, or cannot be pulled out of their bag of arranged, processed "counters", is completely ignored.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Oh! Feisty aren't we? Did I hit a nerve because you can't find a logical argument against what I said so you resort automatically to name calling. Or is that just how you normally greet people who you disagree with?

Friend you couldn't hit a nerve with a scalpel buddy. And his response was both reasonable and called for when faced with someone like you.

Also Psalm 137 is speaking about retaliation for what happened in Jerusalem.

So infanticide is okay if the kids parents did something wrong? You have a whacked out code of ethics. 

I can sense how civilized you think yourself to be when you brutally rip an unborn child from their mothers womb.

Civilised people believe women are the masters of their reproductive cycle  and their ex lives while savages think they are merely incubators. So pipe down

 Glad you like to consider that civilized. 

Women having reproductive rights and sexual freedoms is civilised 

Oh and then letting the rapists and pedophiles live to allow them to commit the same crime twice and cause more suffering. 

Not answering one evil with another is civilised.State sanctioned butchery is not civilised  

Thank God we're civilized though.

We are and thank goodness were abandoning your uncivilised mentality

[The Architect Of Fate]

Because you attribute the reality of nature to the bidding of God that's why I didn't respond to it, you also consider unborn children to be objects and not human, though that is exactly what they grow up to become, can something change from some other creature into a human or was it always human to begin with?

It's irrelevant whether it's human or something else.It has no right either way to live within her.

Your degradation of what constitutes a human being is similar to how the white land owners who framed the constitution didn't consider black people to be human either but rather objects.

Again  whether a fetus is human or not is irrelevant. Also black people weren't living inside white peoples bodies.So these two things are not alike. 

 It is a draconian line of thought truly, and yet people here call it civilized and humane. Anything to avoid complicity in murder.

Your the only one here whose thoughts are  draconian you think women should have to carry their rapists fetus and think that women should be forced to remain pregnant against their will. 

Abortion is effectively saying to people, do what you want and don't worry about the consequences

Yup because should having a sex life come with consequences ? Because you have done nothing wrong.

Shouldn't we instead raise our children to be responsible adults instead? 

Abortion is taking responsibility as it's dealing with the issue of the pregnancy.  

And if you disagree with that thought then I wish you luck when you get old and your children who have had six abortions don't want to take care of you in your old age because you never taught them to be responsible with their lives.

My children have every right to an abortion nor do i demand nor expect them to take care of me I have no such right, And i would nothing but shame in asking them  to do so. 

Empathy is this, a little life starts in the womb of a mother who can not afford the financial burden of having kids. 

Empathy is having compassion for others this has nothing to do with abortion.

Yet instead of choosing abortion she carries the child to term and gives it up to an adoption agency.

That would demand she remain pregnant and no one has the right to demand she do that. If she can't afford it she can get an abortion and you have bussiness saying she's right or wrong on the matter.

[Authari]

Oh! Feisty aren't we? Did I hit a nerve because you can't find a logical argument...

Also Psalm 137 is speaking about retaliation for what happened in Jerusalem.

.....says the guy who just argues infanticide is actually ok....as long as its done in retaliation ...by followers of christ.
Listen to yourself: Infanticide is the worst thing ever, done by ancient prositutes, and modern day women. Its BABY killing. Its unacceptable......well, its acceptable in retaliation, commanded by your god, done by Jews.
Thats why i need no argument. I just need you to keep talking and expose yourself and your terrible inhumane beliefs

against what I said so you resort automatically to name calling. Or is that just how you normally greet people who you disagree with?

...and thats why i keep calling a spade a spade, and a moral monster a moral monster. If you dont like being called a pos, stop being one!
Its that simple: Stop surrendering your humanity on the altar of your cruel, immoral religion. Just.fucking.stop

I can sense how civilized you think yourself to be when you brutally rip an unborn child from their mothers womb.

...but its ok as long as god commands it and righteous people like jews...or you, do it!. Right?
Just keep talking, keep digging, i wont take away your shovel. Keep going and making it paninfully clear to every reader, what level of hypocrite you are.

Glad you like to consider that civilized. Oh and then letting the rapists and pedophiles live to allow them to commit the same crime twice and cause more suffering. Thank God we're civilized though.

See thats the difference between you and me. I call you out for the ass you ARE, showing the evidence YOU present yourself. Thank you again for showing what a terrible person you allow religion to make you. You on the other hand, you are whatabouting (i presume because YOU have no argument as shown in your post), and you just made a strawman (when and where did i say something about rapists?)

Pedophiles? Where and when did anyone talk about pedophiles? Did you, by accident mean homosexuals? In this case i would have to assume that on top of everything else you are also a homophobic flavoured piece of shit. But i really hope thats not the case. Who on earth would be such a triple terrible person to be such a hyporite like you and a homophobe, thats almost inconceivable.....

No the difference between you and me is that you seek to put words in my mouth, I never advocated for infanticide I was just saying that in the psalm they were proclaiming their anger against the babylonians for killing their children, naturally people tend to get a little heated if you murder their child and the entire message of scripture is of the love between a Parent and their Child. Our ancestors were not perfect, but they did strive to hold to values that their society at the time generally disregard which I guess every generation has had their foolish hearts. But yes those were very violent times, and the fact that you are taking a 'holier than thou' attitude at that but still advocate for abortion is astounding.

We talked about the Rapists and the Pedophiles already and that is in the past now, execute them and Purge Evil from the midst of Israel!

[brewer]

In earlier posts (read his history) Authari claimed he found god while stoned. Guess what, while driving around on mescaline in the late 70's I/we found a coven of witches dancing around a funeral pyre. Drove by the next week and found that they were normal farm folk around a fire pit having a family party.

Mind altering drugs do not create any meaningful god(s), or a philosophical lifestyle with any meaningful value.

@Authari, you are delusional, and that might be your best quality. I hope that they have adequate mental health services where you live.