Answering Atheism I

[Loki_999]

@Darwinian - one of the problems i find is one of the same problems Dawkins pointed out with God. If there is a God, what was before God, or who created God.... if God existed forever (as the theists believe) then what was he doing for all those eternities before creating the universe?

And why would this be considered differently than the Big Bang?

Same goes for the history of the universe (regardless of what caused it - eg: string theory). Its either a case of it has always existed (the expansion/contraction model) or the big bang, in which case, what caused the big bang... which really has to be something outside/beyond/parallel to the universe which then brings us to the regression problem. What exists beyond our universe (if anything) is going to be a real headache for us to figure out beyond the theorizing stage.

And why could God not always have existed?

Same with going downscale. We think maybe we have the smallest particles figured out with quarks etc, but there is always the potential for there to be something smaller that we can't detect.

Sure... but we have nothing to say about it... because we can't detect it anyhow.

Your comments i think are more or less in line with my posts (unless I misunderstand). My point was that science doesn't yet have all the answers but it doesn't claim to (yet). Religion on the other hand just fills all unknowns with "God", and this is commonly referred to as the god of the gaps. As science explains things that were previously the province of "God" then the theists either have to dismiss the scientific evidence or allow their god to become a little bit smaller with each gap that is filled in.

In answer to your questions...

1) Its no different to the big bang. Basically the same point can be applied. Its an interesting question. Maybe one day we will have an answer. In the meantime i'll patiently accept scientific ignorance until we have some evidence. Better than adopting religious ignorance.

2) God could have always existed (and for the moment presuming it exists). Just interesting what it was doing for the eternities before he ran up our universe? Did it have previous universes? Are we universe number 1000? Maybe it is two timing us and has several universes on the go at once.... I know for you it probably doesn't matter what it was doing for the eternities before he created this universe, but that's part of the scientific mind, not the religious.

3) Again, the religious mind shows itself. We can't detect it therefore its not relevant. Of course its bloody relevant! The more we find out about the universe and how it works the more chance we have of surviving as a species. One day in a few million years our sun will go kaboom! If we don't figure out a way off this rock before then (assuming some other natural disaster doesn't wipe us out) then that's the end of our species. I don't know about you, but I would like humanity to spread our among the stars. Possibly to meet and interact with other lifeforms. Who knows, maybe one day we will crack enough mysteries of the universe to even find a way of humanity surviving the end of the universe.

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Damn, i really should read all the posts.... ok, got it, the OP is a troll who seems to have some interesting myspace friends. Looking at some of those names, maybe i'll make contact with a few myself!