theVOID Wrote:(December 9, 2009 at 4:04 am)tackattack Wrote: God to me is a force that created and set into motion the known universe.
Got any evidence to back up that claim?
No evidence I can produce will ever suffice your level of belief nor am I here to.
Quote:That is directly contradictory to the Christian belief in which God sends himself to earth as his own son, born of a virgin on earth, to directly intervene in human affairs. How can you call yourself a christian and still hold that God does not interfere?I consider the man Jesus real with more insight into the ways of the creator than anyone. He taught through parrable and led by example. The story of creation, the floods, probably most miracles and maybe his ressurection was less historical fact and more parrable as believed in the torah.
theVOID Wrote:-unprovable by definitiontackattack Wrote:but is omniviscent and omnipotent.
Prove it
Quote:If it's non-sentient it isn't intelligent at all, so why call it god?the human need to quantify and classify
Quote:Oh, i think we have a testable hypothesis emerging here! So if god sits outside the universe and shoots photons into the universe then there should be a measurable excess of light in the universe that would be unaccounted for in observations. As far as i am aware there is no such light in the universe, therefore your claim is disproved until you can provide evidence to the contrary.
And of course finding the light alone is not comprehensive proof of anything, but it does give your idea falsifiability which is a good thing because it means it can actually be tested.
-I'm not equiped to attempt observations of things outside our universe, much less our known universe.
Quote:This is known as the god of the gaps argument, for example "I can't explain something, therefore god did it". As you can see from that statement you have simply assumed the answer you want is the correct one without taking any steps to verify it as true.Reason away all the gaps with science and I'll consent.
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People don't organise their lives around contradictory historical documents.
-People have been doing it for centuries.
Quote:Whether you like it or not the truth of the universe has nothing to do with man kind or what any one of us wants, it is something entirely external to our very existence. To me it sounds like you have picked a completely conceptual ideal that appeals to you and stuck with it regardless of whether of not it's true.
Which is why I'm here. Thank you for the critique on my belief. I'm here to ask questions though and don't really intend to defend myself too much. I simply stated my belief because I was asked and I believe I already have you answer (thank you by the way) so anyone else's opinion on teh question?