RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 11, 2023 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2023 at 5:12 pm by ShinyCrystals.)
(November 11, 2023 at 1:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(November 11, 2023 at 12:12 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: We weren't talking talking about airplanes and beehives. Still, I must have misspoken. That said, I probably should not have used the word man-made. I did not, however, say all man-made things are not real.
You wrote:
Quote:Still, what can exist as a concept, does not necessarily translate into something physical, or even something existent, for that matter. There are people like most of us here who believe free will does not really exist. I was saying that free will exists as a concept only, not something that exists as part of the human brain and biology, let alone the human mind.
And:
Quote:It would probably be that free will was a mad made concept, in other words, artificial, not occurring in nature. So, with that, free will can't possibly be something that is actually real.
The first sentence asserts that what is man-made does not occur in nature. Even if we limit this claim of yours to the conceptual, the fact of the matter is that human concepts do occur in nature, because human thought occurs in the brain, and is the direct result of material interactions occurring inside neurons which are, again, material. It follows that your claim quoted above is incorrect.
Finally, by your logic, if you aver that free will cannot be real because it is a human conception, such logic would also result in determinism not being real, because it too is a human conception.
Be aware that I am not making any claim at all vis free will or determinism; I'm agnostic on the issue. I'm just pointing out an incoherent argument.
Look, no need to get worked up about this. It was a mistake, okay? No need to magnify this at all. Besides, I was just talking about free will, in the wrong way. Seems like I missed something, but as this was said merely in the wrong terms, I do not think this is worth arguing about. I mean, it happens.
I know what I was talking about, I just did not use the right words. I did not mean to say it so that every other concept did not exist.
