A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[Angrboda]

I don't think it's exactly clear what an existent free will would do, or how effective it would be at whatever that is.  Can we freely will not to be short and irritable when we're hungry?  Seemingly not.  Or, if we prefer, even though we can freely will not to do that, it happens anyway, in spite of that decision.

Well, I was not trying to say free will of any kind existed. I was just saying people, for reasons I stated earlier, of course, show more of a lack of free will instead of having it; especially religious people and fans of real life people and maybe fictional characters, too.

As for free will itself, I will say that LinuxGal, a person you may know who goes to these forums, said it best; she said that if all factors were shunned aside and acts of pure will were done, it would be this, and I quote her "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.".

But I do think free will cannot exist anyway. With so many factors affecting our lives (from internal, mental, physical, external, etc.), the will is not really free, and I am sure the mind does not work like some people think to actually have free will. The universe is more deterministic as the user that goes here, FrustratedFool told me. It seems that the universe, as well as the mind and actual choices, are of cause and effect rather than actual free will.

People just assumed there is a thing called free will, did they not? I do think that assumption can be proven false with science. However the universe and the human mind works, I can safely think free will is not a thing as many would like to believe. They may want to hear that free will exists when reality and science may say otherwise, but you can you can't really refute reality and science. Plus, I think what about human having more animal-like behaviors also shows a lack of free will in humans.

The "man can do what he wills" line is from Schopenhauer.