Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 6, 2024, 1:22 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
#16
RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
(October 17, 2023 at 10:00 am)ShinyCrystals Wrote:
(October 17, 2023 at 9:38 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's not so much that the thoughts aren't their own as a religion is explicitly normative and collective.  A vision of how the world should be backed up by a sizeable community committed to the possibility that it could be and acting to effect it.  Not just acting -in- the world, acting -on- it.  Acting on themselves, acting on others, acting on the world around them.  Whether we have a free will or not this is basically the most disadvantaged scenario for private decision making.  

I think it helps to remember that religion isn't something that just happens to people.  Nothing just happens.  Things take time and planning and manpower and effort.  Sure, you could be born into a religious family but you are not religious, yourself, until you participate in the religious effort.  At that point questions of freedom in will and any number of other things are fundamentally moot.  At that point, whether you freely willed it or not, you do believe that the world should be that way, and you do believe you have a duty to pitch in to that outcome.  A religious person no longer needs to be compelled ..more accurately, they are or have become the compelling force themselves.

I do know all that. I probably should have mention that things like religion are rather taught, among other things.

I just think that humans, especially at a young age, tend to copy, or go with the behaviors as well as ideals of others, especially their families, and once they become hardcore thinkers or so dedicated to their beliefs, especially in regards to religion, they might not be “free” from doing what God(s) may want them to do, if you know what I mean, as sometimes, they may do what a so called “supreme being” may want them to do instead of what they think they should do on their own.

Even if free will and independent thinking are two different things, I would not call the people I am describing “independent” for reasons I described, as some people can’t seemingly think for themselves.

Maybe I shouldn’t have used the term free will here?

Religion isn't taught. People are either naturally religious or not.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will - by Ahriman - October 17, 2023 at 10:04 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Stupid things religious people say Foxaèr 1172 86395 June 3, 2024 at 7:08 pm
Last Post: brewer
  What is a theist other then the basic definition? Quill01 4 746 August 1, 2022 at 11:16 am
Last Post: onlinebiker
  Why people remain in cultlike religious communities Won2blv 6 681 April 1, 2022 at 7:59 pm
Last Post: Rev. Rye
  Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? Ferrocyanide 177 11670 January 1, 2022 at 2:36 am
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  forbidding people to love each other Fake Messiah 210 25060 September 16, 2021 at 1:23 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  One cool thing about Christianity and Islam Edge92 55 3917 June 4, 2021 at 9:31 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  Flat Earther, and other conspiracy theories. Are they mostly atheists? Ferrocyanide 95 7391 April 26, 2021 at 3:56 am
Last Post: Tomatoshadow2
  "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" ignoramus 121 21739 March 5, 2021 at 6:42 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Religious people in the medical field Foxaèr 35 7186 November 11, 2018 at 10:54 am
Last Post: Angrboda
  Are religious people really afraid of death? Alexmahone 36 5142 July 3, 2018 at 12:50 pm
Last Post: purplepurpose



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)